IRC log started Sun Jun 6 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0606 -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) -:- Myrmidon^ [ubiquity@dm3-30.slc.aros.net] has joined #tunes Howdy. 02:30am -:- Myrmidon^ [ubiquity@dm3-30.slc.aros.net] has left #tunes [] -:- core [core@core.suntech.fr] has joined #tunes people hi hmm, idly city see you later :) -:- SignOff core: #TUNES (this is not the default quit message) 03:50am -:- Pauldoo [Pauldoo@dunvegan1.demon.co.uk] has joined #tunes hello hola, Pauldoo >>> Pauldoo [Pauldoo@dunvegan1.demon.co.uk] requested PING 5948025 from #tunes pretty good pings on OP -:- SignOff Pauldoo: #TUNES (syntax: cya) 04:20am !HyrliKW:*! YAWN!!! -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1001.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hum 05:40am -:- smkl [sami@CMVI.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us1001.javanet.com]) -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-17.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hi all hello what's up? 09:20am nothing much .. i have been working on my game, but i haven't had much progress ok i also try metaprl but i coudn't get it to work oh? http://www.cs.cornell.edu/jyh/metaprl/ hmm.. interesting. i was looking at nuprl last night, too well, i don't have linux or ocaml, so i can't help you much. 09:30am smkl: game? i'm now writing a settlers clone with possibly some rpg features i've also written a tank game, but nobody has tested it yet settlers? it's a real time strategy game 09:50am oh hey, people are talking again! -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-220-71.s325.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes hi alonzo 10:00am y0 -:- LunarBard [fooshnicka@host-209-214-153-185.sld.bellsouth.net] has joined #tunes emmanuel? * water/#tunes is learning from material on the web. -:- iStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #tunes -:- HickServ [thrustit@209-68-229-140.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hey storm hi hick friends/ . hi :) is emmanuel around? LunarBard: isn't emmanuels nick core? not sure? perhaps. -:- s_r [s_rr@phila-dialup098.nni.com] has joined #tunes hey, s_r he isn't here hi que tal, s_r hey you guys i found something more in linux's asm that dcould be fixed :) HickServ, what? hs: don't start. re GEB: MU hehe ah c'mon you guys use GGI? there is a spot where they load the fs witha mov Fare probably uses GGI they could use lfs Hmmm someday everyone here will be using TUNES as the main operating system HickServ: have you tested how much it affects to general speed of the system? nah im gonna write a program that tests timings though -:- SignOff LunarBard: #TUNES (Read error to LunarBard[host-209-214-153-185.sld.bellsouth.net]: EOF from client) -:- s_r [s_rr@phila-dialup098.nni.com] has left #tunes [] 10:10am arg -:- _water [water@ppp-tnt-146.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes <_water> well, is anyone ready to talk? i am <_water> what about? -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-17.tscnet.net]) -:- _water is now known as water -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us701.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hi hcf what is the main purpose of arrow system? knowledge representation? smkl: the 'main' purpose? sure, i suppose. hum. I've tried GGI long ago, but not stuck to it yeah, core is involved in it hoy water 10:20am -:- LunarBard [fooshnicka@host-216-76-187-207.sld.bellsouth.net] has joined #tunes wb hiya, I wish I could get XGGI working correctly. -:- tester [user8587@mut-53-0726.direct.ca] has joined #Tunes -:- tester [user8587@mut-53-0726.direct.ca] has left #Tunes [] you guys use linux? most of them. most of them are lame asses most of who? everyone else: Tril, Fare, ... * HickServ/#tunes is a linux novice do you use it? abi: you couldn't be more right! * HickServ/#tunes has all these knowledgable people to help him :) no, you have all sorts of knowledgable people to become tired of your ceaseless lazy questions and Boot you! :) arg :( hehe there are linux channels, nearby: #linpeople and #debian come to mind 10:30am they aren't linux coding channels though? who's a coder, these days? well i found a place that will help me smkl: linpeople is general help. fare, do you use linux? I know of no irc channel specifically for coding. Lots of mailing lists, tho I sure do Fare: Do you use ggi? No, I don't. x woops. Core does. i know, core is not here:) LB: what's your problem, anyway? there's a ggi mailing-list, too (I used to be on it) I know, I'm on it. Fare: I can't get XGGI working correctly. last time I tried, its keyboard wsan't remapppable but the display looked correct http://babelfish.altavista.com/cgi-bin/translate? whoa! * Fare/#Tunes should try XGGI once again, since he has the framebuffer device... for what card? I apparently don't have the "fbset" util. NeoMagic something no fbset in VESA fb... my mouse does not work in XGGI. I'm using fb for matrox/. . did you try with other GGI mouse testing programs? like what? There is a GGI game that mouse seems to work with. clanbomber. 10:40am what other mouse utils are there/ 10:50am I fear your case is to be submitted to the ggi mailing-list instead... ph34r 11:00am -:- _water [water@ppp-tnt-64.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes moi water <_water> hey hey, _water -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-146.tscnet.net]) -:- _water is now known as water 11:10am -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hi qz QZ: thanks for your mail hey qz QZ: see the new asm HOWTO on http://tunes.org/~fare/files/asm/ should be propagated to standard LDP sites RSN 11:20am baa....brix haha What a joke. BRiX ownz you :) im going to code................... mm.. i downloaded tasm and it came with a winzip keygen source and me god. is that _QZ? no hick: I wondered, which parts of HD I/O interface are common to all drives? remember that loser? hick: what's that crap? someone on efnet is making fun of qz humbug what #channel? #asm yeah hehehe sm1th loves me too :) 11:30am -:- SignOff iStormy: #TUNES (Ping timeout for iStormy[rain.futuresouth.com]) -:- Current server: irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 -:- Primary server: irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 -:- Server list: -:- [unknown] -:- 0) irc.us.openprojects.net 6667 (TUNES) -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server clarke.openprojects.net [refnum 1] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES -:- Your host is clarke.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT -:- clarke.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(11)] 3% -:- [global users on irc(133)] 38% -:- [invisible users on irc(221)] 62% -:- [ircops on irc(14)] 4% -:- [total users on irc(354)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(32)] (avg. 11 users per server) -:- [total channels created(103)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !clarke.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 20 (19 clients) !clarke.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 2 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES -:- JOIN activated by "TUNES #tunes tunes@bespin.dhs.org " -:- TUNES [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: Reflective Computing System -:- topic set by Fare [Sun Jun 6 12:01:38 1999] -:- [Users(#Tunes:11)] [ TUNES ] [ tcn ] [ water ] [ AlonzoTG ] [ _QZ ] [ hcf ] [ HickServ ] [ smkl ] [@Fare ] [@Tril ] [ abi ] -:- Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 (AlonzoTG/#tunes) hey your arrows paper beat anything I've written by far!!! -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 5.764 secs!! -:- Mode change [-s] for user TUNES I figured you HAD to be older than me... oh answer me alonzo! >>> tcn [tcn@cci-209150250125.clarityconnect.net] requested PING 928698975 519423 from #tunes major: CS or CEng MINOR: Maf maf? mafia? math cooly funny you say you can't code though ?!?!?! I used to be able to code stuff for class if he could you think he'd major in cs? hehe =) how dare you ping me tom I think computer enthusiasts used to major in CS because that was one of the few ways to get hold of a computer what next will you finger me? haha 01:00pm yeah i'll give you a cyberprostateexam no!!! anyone in here fluent in finnish? just smkl he was like, born there :) siellä osavaltiot muotoilee piiskauslakeja jotta saataisiin nuoriso kuriin :D herm well every channel has their finn from what context is that? i wanna learn finnish is that what linus torvalds told you when you emailed him about PUSHA? i heard it on efnet in #finland hehehehe what does it mean? it prolly means "go fuck yourself, you filthy motherufkcing scumbag" hehee... sairas maa toi amerikka... hmmmm hehe.. I like Knuth's chapter on tree data structures.. he says the English royal family's tree isn't really a tree because it doesn't branch hahahaha * water/#tunes is trying to figure out where 1GB of his hard drive space went. water: rounding error? water: virtual ram? * water/#tunes whips Tril and tcn with a sopping wet noodle. permanent swap file or maybe some lost clusters? oh wait. oikein:) there states declare whipping laws so that they'd maintain discipline among youngters maybe it was the linux virus america is a sick land correct hahahaq haha * water/#tunes remembers just how much research he's downloaded lately. whipping laws mabye in texas not in california or in utah that's why qz is the way he is :) <_QZ> watch it punk :) sorry daddy ;( om 01:10pm * water/#tunes is comparing his current hard drive contents (1.6GB) with the 100MB hard drive he had on his 387/33 ooh math co pro cad workstation. :) I have a 387 too 01:20pm * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] Haistakaa vittu koko sakki, ette te tiedä Amerikasta mitään. hehehe not you guys someone told me to say that to #finland on efnet -:- raju [raju@209-122-220-85.s339.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #Tunes hi raju hi water! -:- raju [raju@209-122-220-85.s339.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has left #Tunes [] 01:30pm =\ later -:- SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) * water/#tunes starts to uninstall mIRC. heh 01:40pm -:- LunarBard [fooshnicka@host-216-76-187-207.sld.bellsouth.net] has joined #tunes has core been around? nope -:- SignOff LunarBard: #TUNES (xchat exiting..) 01:50pm * Fare/#Tunes is back hello good fare hey fare * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 31 min 15 secs i'm cleaning out my hard drive to install linux again. does anyone know why netscape has a 4.08 and a 4.6? ok, so 4.08 runs on 68k macs and Windows 3.1 and 4.6 does not. Is that the only reason? how come when I run SmartUpdate it says I have 4.08 and it is the latest version, but 4.6 is a higher number? -:- _water [water@ppp-tnt-34.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes <_water> can anybody recommend some good partition sizes for linux? swap space should be 2x your RAM -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[ppp-tnt-177.tscnet.net]) how much RAM do you have? are you going to have everything in just one root partition? or split it in /usr or something? <_water> 64MB ram / 4GB hd but mainly it depends on how much you are going to install. <_water> tril: i'm not sure, really <_water> i'll definitely want to install X and KDE or GNOME <_water> i won't need many user accounts. how much space for other OSes (windows etc)? which distro of linux? <_water> probably around 800MB will do. <_water> redhat 5.1 02:00pm -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ....) put at least 1GB on /, and then leave the rest unpartitioned for future use, or put it in /home for user accounts do you plan to use LOADLIN or LILO for booting? <_water> ok <_water> neither, redhat has another boot manager. called what? <_water> hmm. i don't remember offhand, but it's got a good ui (relatively), and worked the last time i had linux. <_water> my only problems with linux were X admin and MOUNTing. I always have a linux partition for /boot which is entirely below cylinder 1023 so no problems with large disks occur with any disk controller. (and any bios) that's in the first 512 mb but if you have a rescue disk it's ok <_water> right. the redhat partitioner recommends this as well, and i did it last time successfully. did anyone tell you you can get free RH 6.0 cds for the cost of shipping from lsl.com or cheapbytes.com? <_water> no. that sounds like a good deal. Debian is still better <_water> i don't honestly care. -:- billyboof [hatefull@nrwc-sh10-port176.snet.net] has joined #tunes whats up <_water> hi billy * Fare/#Tunes just updated the TUNES FAQ (on CVS) hey billy B00F!!!! been a while yeah... i had drill this weekend.. does the TUNES FAQ have Y2K in it? "TUNES is Y2K compliant, because it does not exist." 02:10pm "And it probably won't be out until after Y2K, anyway." well most y2k problems have to do with hardware so why mess wiht it yeah, I think the string Y2K is in there check it out! -:- SignOff HickServ: #TUNES (later) brb <_water> yeah, it's there. it's in the parody section though the arrow paper isn't on CVS? <_water> umm. i guess not. The arrow paper is on FTP. <_water> right. The only reason it would be in CVS is if Brian wanted to keep track of his revisions. <_water> (which i don't) or if he wanted other members to edit it! <_water> or, rather, i do on my own computer -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us701.javanet.com]) <_water> brb. i'm going to look for my redhat cd's. * Fare/#Tunes forced an update of tunes from CVS so the new FAQ is on the net feel free to enhance it water: what laptop do you have? <_water> darn. my redhat cd's are on the ship. the installation will have to be on Tuesday. have you a fast internet access? <_water> NEC Ready 340T you could do a net install ;-> <_water> 56k modem right now. not such a good idea, then <_water> that seems impractical, too say the least. remember: before any repartitioning/reformatting/etc: BACKUP YOUR DATA! <_water> Fare: i know, and i have plenty of Zip disks and Ditto tapes for that. 02:20pm <_water> besides, i've done this before, and there were no problems then. -:- PaddyM [pfm2@JAYPEAK.WEH.ANDREW.CMU.EDU] has joined #tunes * _water/#tunes feels like discussing some more theory. -:- _water is now known as water * Fare/#Tunes is currently writing an article due monday hi, paddy! ok (last monday, not next one) oh. hey water paddym: do we know each other? paddy: are you familiar with Tunes? General progress in CS research in the Review project?? I think that must be expanded a little more! It needs a new section.. not really. I looked at the web page and the project seemed interesting. tril: excellent! PaddyM: Fare just updated teh FAQ. fare: what did you update? We also need a DIFFERENT section (from the cs research) which is called "Background". ouch. I promised I would write a vietnamese Compose map for X this week-end! and a dedicated person to create and maintain it. Compose? Background? such as? -:- Traverser [You_ve@ppp-216-101-190-111.dialup.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #Tunes /usr/X11T6/lib/X11/locale/*/Compose s/T/R/ tril: what would it contain? a "required reading" list for our sibling projects? hi traverser Fare: What areas and introductroy materials ned to be read to understand basic tunes theory oh, sure! Do you guys want to use this irc channel mainly for the project only? Because I don't want to waste your time if that is the case. that'd be great! Hello......Anybody ready for a Net Q? yeah, a section for Arrow, and other sections for other stuff the project, or related things, mainly Traverser hi, what's that? but if you have something great to say, do ask away.. at worst, we'll ignore you tril: sounds good. i have a lot of my references on my hard drive in a single directory. :) ok btw, htere's #linpeople and #debian just next door -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us827.javanet.com] has joined #tunes PaddyM: The channel is for any question about tunes or os programming Tril: update the FAQ! wb hcf I have a Masq'ing Dialup.....Got good throughput going to the Linux box, but really crappy going back.... Well I downloaded retro and tried to run it. It booted and then the screen got all colorful. Is that normal? Any ideas? Fare I'm going to correct your english grammar, too paddym do you have a prompt? aitch-see-effe! Tril: go ahead Tril: what do you mean? traverser what kernel version? * Fare/#Tunes considers moving the whole project to french, and requiring members to contribute in french... or maybe in latin, so there be no jealous? Tril: Debian Distro 2.0.36 * water/#tunes ignores Fare. or considering that the romans were but organized thieves, maybe rather in greek? PaddyM: Do you mean "colorful" garbage that is not readable, or colorful technospeak you dont understand? * water/#tunes recommends his prototype language. or in sanskrit? Tril: colorful garbage. paddym is it moving or holding still, made of text or made of little pixels? text and holding still there's color in retro, but it should be readable text does pressing keys, such as enter, have any affect? that prompts you for command with a short summary. hum. Is that the latest retro? what hardware have you? 02:30pm I didn't really try anything. My hard drive light went on and I got nervous so I tried CTL-ALT-DEL, which didn't work, so I hit reset. I didn't think it was a good idea to let it continue, but maybe I was too paranoid. I have a Pentium-II. Traverser I dont know much about it, but you might try upgrading to kernel 2.2.x. In it, ipfwadm is reaplced with ipchains. I dont know if it's faster, but it's the one people are working on now. type "reboot" at the prompt maybe the screen is wrong, but you get commands? I didn't have a prompt. Unless it was hidden. Thanks Tril.....But I think I have a config problem.... yeah, that'd be a useful thing to know Traverser: OK. Ask in some other channels, like #debian or #linpeople. so what are commands that I could type? and what does it need to read from my hard drive? I had it on a floppy. Fare: We don't avoid conflicts, but people who disagree leave, like dtm did and like Maneesh just did. Trying now....Thanks tril: i made a new review folder, and i'm placing my new reviews there. Fare: which part of the FAQ am I the author of? I don't remember doing anything in it. Maybe you mean tcn? Tril: write that down no, you originally wrote a html FAQ, that I converted to this sgml thingie before CVS days, presumably -:- SignOff billyboof: #TUNES (hatefull@antisocial.com) water: where is this folder? your computer? PaddyM: retro currently only works on floppy P: but a IDE driver in the works for accessing the hard drive tril: it's in the same folder as html on your server. -:- NetSplit: lackey.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [02:37pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [lackey.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: lackey.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net -:- _QZ_ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes i just uploaded. wateR: oh, ok I see it. i tried to review more last night, but they were very confusing to describe in a short paragraph. I used a floppy. The screen said something like 'booting Retro' and then suddenly it went to colorful stillstanding text garbage and my hard drive light came on. notably, prism and some strange languages that the review doesn't reference. water: review what? water: Long reviews are ok, too :) 02:40pm PaddyM: bad bad bad Fare: Water is contributing to review. I just tried on a PII, and it worked alright ok. i'd should add more to maude and pliant, then. But you're saying that if the prompt happened to be there I could type reboot and it would reboot? PM: is that latest retro? has your hardware anything particular? did a previous version work? Is that IDE or SCSI? water: The reason reviews are short isn't because of policy, it's because of the time that previous reviewers decided to spend on them. Longer ones are very welcome! tril: oh, ok. if the prompt happened, typing reboot would make it reboot I have an IDE hard drive. I did not check it out from CVS, I got it from the web page. but if the HD was spinning, then presumably there's more than the display that's screwed PM: oh, checkout from CVS, or get the .tar.bz2 snapshot ok I'll try that. Thx. l8r -:- SignOff PaddyM: #TUNES (Leaving) * water/#tunes needs to finish up his first paper. * Fare/#Tunes 's first paper is WhyNewOS -- still unfinished years later :( :( :( hehe * water/#tunes 's paper is longer than Fare's! -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) * Tril/#TUNES has no ideas for a paper, only a computing system * Fare/#Tunes has no ideas "The ancients stole all our ideas from us!" -- Mark Twai * water/#tunes is using the paper to develop ideas. n * Fare/#Tunes is using paper to wipe his ass 02:50pm hey! we should say "compose an essay" i think. writing on paper is quite defunct ok. i never intended on printing the thing, anyway. what do computers have to do with paper? nothing. i considered printing it for bringing to seattle meeting you, but didnt people use computers to control other people, so that it is natural to have it support the existing infrastructure of paper. tril: btw, i live in a house now, so that we could actually have a stationary meeting place if desired. but the irc makes that unnecessary, of course. Xerox wanted a paper-less office. Now they've decided that paper was indispensable. about Xerox: not exactly they're trying to isolate (orthogonalize) printing from computing. it's pretty obvious when you see them creating "internet/intranet printers". i'm going to study for my exams now ok hopefully be back sometime today to read about databases * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] bye for a few hours -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao has left the building!) 03:00pm <_QZ_> suck, i just ruined 2 cd's on my cdwriter 03:10pm -:- SignOff Traverser: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Traverser[ppp-216-101-190-111.dialup.snfc21.pacbell.net]) congratulations! 03:20pm !wichert:*! can someone with an alpha or sparc running Debian stable please /msg me? thanks -:- binEng [Anders@dialup80-1-43.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-060.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes Oh, my stuffed penguin now has a home page: see http://www.tunes.org/~do ... Fare: Aren't you a little old for a stuffed penguin? :) That's a cute page... if you can call a text-only page cute <_QZ_> oh my god * binEng/#tunes is just missing a pic 04:20pm binEng: do will put a picture of her as soon as she can digitize those my sister shot abi: binEng? binEng is mailto:bineng@bespin.cx binEng: that what u wanted?